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Getting started in Voiceover

More excellence on display

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I’ve interviewed Mary C. McKitrick and I’ve written here a few other other times about Mary’s great work ethic and how seriously she takes the process of marketing herself and her voiceover services.
Now, thanks to her latest blog post, you can see for yourself. As I told Mary in a comment, I think the most important line of her entire post is this one…

I would absolutely love to be able to write a newsletter, click Send, and be done with it. That would certainly be easiest for me.

But, staying in contact with your clients and potential clients isn’t about what’s “easiest for me.” It’s about what those clients and potential clients prefer. And there’s evidence to support the email rather than newsletter approach. For example, one of Mary’s clients who writes and distributes a newsletter was in need of some voiceover work. He told Mary…

…that he appreciated my regular emails and that I was the first person he thought of when he needed female voice talent. I had first written to him at the end of March 2006, and his first response was 6 December, with a work proposal.

The title of Mary’s post is “How do you stay in touch?” What ever methods you use, finding work is always going to be a substantial part of your professional efforts. If you don’t put effort into marketing yourself, you won’t be doing voiceovers for a living very long.
Don’t believe me? Try it and see.

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Contest winner (updated)

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I’m a few days late and no doubt at least a few dollars short with this post, but congratulations are in order to Pamela C., the winner of the Minewurx Project voiceover contest. You’ll find details on Mike’s Studio Echos site here.

Good for you, Pamela. I wish you much success.
Update: There’s more information about Pamela on the Minewurx Echos page here. And Pamela has begun blogging about her experiences here.

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A deep well of experience

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The following letter arrived in my inbox this weekend.
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Bob –
Here is my anonymous response to some to the recent postings at your blog.
Feel free to quote from it, as it may be something others may find helpful, or they may be able to relate to my career situation, time of life or personal/professional goals. However, I’d rather not say who I am because parts of this may seem like I’m lazy or not passionate about the VO biz, which could not be further from the truth. Also, some financial disclosures I’m mentioning are such that I don’t want others to attach them to me, my reputation or my name. For some, I’ll be perceived as rich, for others I’ll be viewed as not aiming high enough in the VO field.
You may also want to re-word or re-work some of this, if you even want to use it at all. If you don’t use it, I will view it as a chance to “talk” with an old friend, as well as review some important aspects of my life. At this stage of the game it’s hard to really be in touch with how one really feels about some things, but your blog and other VO forums of late have sparked some serious – as well as some fun – thinking!
I’m much like you and your friend, Mary C. McKitrick, regarding the point of consideration by some people to get out of the VO biz. I just hate to see anyone have to do it, but any number of factors can force the issue. Lack of money is the main one ….in other words, not seeing one’s venture really take off. This is where my perspective of being in the business a full 30 years may be helpful.
To me, it’s all about finding your niches …. NOT niche, niches. Plural. Yes, this is a crowded business, more competitive than ever. But with technology, more media beyond radio and TV commercials has evolved, requiring more specialized voiceovers.
Look at the landscape now: Internet and cable outlets, training videos and CD-ROMs, web presentations, messages on hold, flash presentations, tutorials, documentaries, corporate presentations, industrials, Imaging voices for television and radio promos and station identification, voice prompts, voice mail trees… There are hundreds of new opportunities to explore!
Even 30 years ago I learned that I needed to diversity in the VO work I offered. I marketed myself for dialog spots, character voices, straight VO, narration work, as well as on-camera. I even started getting good using the ear prompter before deciding to focus just on voice work about 10 years ago.
Here’s what happened for me: I lost two huge voiceover accounts in the mid-90’s. At that same time, there were 3 concurrent “technology megatrends” emerging:

1) ISDN studios enabling real-time sessions from studio to studio.
2) Home studio digital recording and editing.
3) The Internet, offering the means for distribution of audio files and other media, as well as scripts and email communication across great distances.

From these innovations, new VO niches began to spring up.
I was rattled for a while, after losing those major accounts, but decided to get my demos on as many studio and marketing sites as possible and promote myself like crazy using the Internet and by developing a web site. The website not only serves for promotional purposes, but also is functional as a means of delivering large sound files to clients.
The strategy worked! Some new niches emerged for me right away … churches and ministries that need VOs for local broadcasts or even cable networks …. narrations for business PowerPoint presentations … message-on-hold …. government training CD-ROMS and videos … ad agencies in different parts of the country that need announcers for car spots and other local accounts. … colleges and universities that need donor-appeal narrations for banquets and DVDs …
Yes, I am still do a lot of work with one local studio and I still do tons of auditions and love reading and learning about the VO field…but I feel I have enough tops spinning that I can now call myself “semi-retired” and enjoy other aspects of my life.
I read online recently this statement from actress and VO artist, Karen Hutton:

The (home) studio’s usually up most of the day, since if I’m not recording client work… I’m working on a number of my own projects I’ve got in the works. Also… it’s fair to say that some days I just have to shut it all down and go skiing, get outside, go hear music and have some other life too. Because I’ve always felt that part of what I can bring to my work that’s unique… is me. If I’m not living a rich, multi-faceted life of many colors… how can I bring that to my work? That’s something I’ve always lived by…which was reinforced many years ago by some wonderful acting mentors. If my world gets too small, my work gets stale and flat. The most successful and well-rounded people I’ve known DON’T work 24/7…they have balance and live a really full life. So, I really listen to that voice inside and try to be in the flow of things.

Exactly, Karen! I’m learning the same thing too.
After working in a deadline-driven business for 30 years, I am now at a place where I can realistically aim to make $300 – $500 a day. If at the end of a given week or month I see I am off pace, I’ll take a look at what’s slipping, but for the most part, I remain on course.
Should I aim higher? Do more? Be better? Try harder? At this stage, frankly, I want to reap the harvest. If something big comes my way, great! Several times a year, I do a national spot or get to record some cool character voices for a museum, whatever. But I am no longer striving for such things. The good Lord is my agent and I am reminded of the scripture that says, “teach me, Lord to number my days”. I’m in my 50’s now. Do I want to work night and day like I have been for the last 30 years? No. Do I want to wait until I am 70 to start traveling with my wife? No.
Two scenarios coming up highlight what my “semi-retired” life is starting to look like.
1) A producer friend I’ve known for years, but haven’t heard from in a long time, is now the public relations manager for a Bible college in one of my favorite parts of the country. He called me the other day and says he has me in mind to narrate two projects for the college. One is a 5 – minute piece that I can do by phone patch from home, the other is a long form narration for a DVD and possible broadcast. We’re negotiating a rate for this that would allow me to record at their facilities. They would fly me and my wife there on a Wednesday, I would record on Thursday and Friday while my wife shops or hangs out at the hotel … and we would take Saturday and Sunday to tour around some more.
2) To celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary, I’ve decide to make it extra-special for my bride. I’ve arranged for two weeks on the Hawaiian islands. Since I’m incorporated and own my own production company business, my “boss” (the owner) is paying for most of the trip. I will work out of an ISDN studio in Sacramento on the way there, which will break up the trip. Plus we’ll spend a weekend to take in the Redwoods and giant Sequoias along the northern California coast. The company has enough frequent flyer miles to make airfare free.
I experienced a panic attack this past summer that sent me to the local hospital emergency room. While there, I happened to see in the waiting room another VO talent that I have known for years. He’s near 80 years old, has a great voice and has been know for always being there and always doing a good job. But I realized as I looked at him that this guy was not known for having much of a life outside of doing voiceovers. He was at the studio all the time. Yes, he’s made a ton of money, but, well, it was a “Christmas Carol” moment for me, and it was as though I was observing the “ghost of Voiceover future” if I’m not careful. How many vacations had I put on hold or canceled altogether over the last 3 decades? How many rounds of golf have I passed on, or even opportunities to be of service in the church or community?
So what I’m saying is…don’t turn up your nose at the low-mid range VO jobs out there. Don’t think you have to be on the upper tier of VO work to make a decent living and enjoy the one life you are given on earth to make the most of.
Folks who desire to do voiceovers should not give up too soon. If you work in radio, do what I did and get a night shift so you can freelance during the day and get that home studio going along with the web page. Hone your demos, sign up with online voiceover services and aim to make $300 – $500 a day so you can quit your night job 😉 … Phase into the VO work you love, and then begin to really enjoy your life!
Mr VO Anonymous
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I’ve made a few slight edits to what was sent me to clarify a few points made by my friend; but the substance of what he’s written is entirely his own. I’d love to know your thoughts. Leave a comment.

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Finding voiceover representation

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If you’re relatively new to voiceover work, finding an agent is probably one of the things you believe you need to do. You’ll find some very helpful guidance at Vox Daily, the main voiceover blog from Voices.com as well as two very fine posts (one and two) at their voiceover advice blog called Ask the Voice Cat.

Read them all. They are well worth your time.

But, let me offer one note of caution. Hopefully not discouragement, just caution.

You must be able to actually deliver the level and quality of work that’s on your demos. If you’ve hired a demo producer who has helped you create a killer demo or two or twelve that all feature reads you can’t pull off for real in the studio, you could torpedo your career before it even gets going.

Yes, you want to put your best foot forward on your demos, but it has to be your best foot, not the genius of your producer and editor. A killer demo will help you find representation, but if you can’t deliver the goods from behind the mic, a killer demo could kill your reputation. You’ll lose the represenation you’ve worked so hard to find, and you’ll lose opportunities to work.

This, by the way, is why so many auditions are required now. Too many killer demos from too many people who can’t actually deliver the goods in the studio. Producers really don’t like unhappy surprises when they are burning money at a booked session.

Tell the truth. Show what you can do. But, don’t try to fake it. You will be found out.

As I’m typing this, I’m remembering something that happened quite back in the late 1980s. I had signed with an agent in Chicago and was starting to get cast fairly often for commercials and especially for narration work. A friend of mine was a pretty decent voiceover talent, but his demo was produced using a number of editing tricks to make his voice sound deeper than it really was.

One day, he asked me to take a copy of his demo to my agent. I told him that I would be happy to. I also told him that if he were ever hired for a session on the basis of that demo, the first time he asked the engineer to use the speed control on the tape machine to make his voice sound like it did on the demo, he’d be laughed out of the studio. He dropped the subject.

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An exaggerated death

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Over at Tim McLaughlin’s blog, he asks and answers the question “Is Broadcast Advertisting Dying?” I think Tim makes some excellent points.

I’ll say again, as I’ve noted here a number of times: the world of voiceover work is growing not shrinking. In fact, it’s growing fast enough that there’s plenty of work for everyone with the talent, drive and teachable spirit needed to be successful.

But, to be successful you do need to have at least some talent.

You do need to be persistent enough to make it through the tough times.

And you can’t believe you know it all. Because you don’t. Neither do I. In fact, I probably know less than you. But, there’s always something to learn. Always.

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Demystifying the Home Recording Studio

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There’s a new blog I’ve just added to my blogroll over on the left called Master VO. Dan Lenard introduces himself as the writer of this blog in his first post, here. I strongly suspect I’m going to visit this little corner of the blogosphere quite often.

Let me know what you think. You can leave a comment. They’re open.

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Live blogging Debbie Munro’s Webminar

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12:00 Noon – Debbie Munro is an experienced voiceover talent, introduced today by Caroline Perkins, Project Manager at Voice123.com. Debbie begins by describing how much she enjoys doing voiceovers. It wasn’t easy to get in to this business. It took a lot of hard work. She’s worked full-time for about 6 years and encouraged all of us to get a professional home studio set-up.

12:05 PM – Debbie talks about the value of a membership at Voice123.com (the sponsors of this Webminar), how it can provide professional experience auditioning, providing a web presence and possibly some income all for only $195.00 (US) per year.

12:08 PM – How do you start? With a demo? A demo is important, but she says the right place to start is at the start. She also mentions that she’s going to talk about The Key Ingredients of a voiceover career, the Types of Work available, different Reads to Know, How to Create Characters, A Script Checklist, Industry Secrets.

12:12 PM – How can voiceover work benefit me? By giving me the opportunity to work full or part time, at my own schedule. Work in my own home. It’s less discriminating than acting. (By this she explains “the look” is imperative, and talent can be secondary in film and television acting. Voiceover work depends on one’s talent, or ability to delivery the goods, is the whole deal.) But, to do this, you need training. Read. Take classes. Find our own styles and areas of ability.

12:17 PM – Further benefits of voiceover work? You can pick and choose what you want to work on. Do what you want and make money at it. Debbie suggests that they next time we’re at a party, start doing character voices for the kids. By this we learn to break through the inhibitions that we’ve lost since we were children. And this “childishness” is vital to be able to engage in characters. If the kids pay attention, you know you’re doing it well. This is how we get in touch with our “inner child” and learn to break through.

12:20 PM – So where do we start? Set realistic goals. It’s vital not to set goals that are completely out of reach. Take classes, but not just stage acting. Film and television acting as well; because it’s important to balance internal and external acting energy. Voiceover classes. Improv classes. Research the history of voiceover. For example, Daws Butler and June Foray.

12:24 PM – Create a demo. But, don’t rush into doing a demo. How do you know when you’re ready to make a demo? When you don’t have to ask yourself “Am I ready to make a demo?” Because you have to be actually deliver the goods of what’s on your demo when you’re in the studio. And make sure you work with a director who actually will direct. My demo needs to reflect who I am, my personality.

12:27 PM – Contract with an agent. But, don’t rely on the agent to find all of your work. Market yourself. Debbie mentions that she talks about her voiceover work where ever she goes. And finds a remarkable amount of work just by talking with people.

12:29 PM – Practice, practice, practice. Listen for interesting voices in real life. Audition the scripts that come through Voice123.com. All different kinds. Keep practicing and keep studying. Study the midwestern US accent, which is the “standard” sound.

12:31 PM – Book work and Have fun!

12:32 PM – What do we need? Talent and passion. Means to a recording studio, either through renting time at a local studio or building one’s own at home. A great demo. Listen to lots of demos. What do I like? What don’t I like. Write down impressions both ways. But, again, we have to be able to pull off what’s on our demo. A web site. Make sure my own personality shines through the site. We needs to be able to do different reads and characters. Lots of ideas. Don’t be afraid to add something to the copy, especially in animation. Versitility.

12:36 PM – Take a chance and put yourself out there. Risks are risks. There can be a huge payoff, and there can a huge downside. Being willing to look stupid. Never take “no” for an answer, take it for what it is “Not right now, maybe later.”

12:37 PM – Stay organized and keep business focused.

12:39 PM – What kind of work is available? Anything that has a voice? Talking toys. Video games. Internet flash presentations. Web sites. Every script has a character in it. See the characters. Find the characters. Our reads will improve. What reads do I need? Conversational, which is most popular right now. Hard Sell. Medium sell. Soft sell. Sultry (but to pull it off you have to feel sexy). Flat (throwing it away, kind of “less is more.”) Monotone which is harder that it seems. Straight. Energetic. Narrative (telling a story). Character (which is all over the place).

12:43 PM – Who am I (the character I’m playing)? Define with as much detail as possible, scanning for clues in the script. What am I talking to? Acting is reacting (re-acting). Back story? Motivation? Location and what’s happening? Each character is another personality, become that personality completely. There is no wrong way to do a character. The client might like it or not, but go with what seems right.

12:47 PM – Record practices. Listen back. It’s vitally important to be able to self-direct and learn. Listen for human qualities. Listen for what sounds “real” now fake. Learn to be comfortable with what we sound like. Stay focused.

12:49 PM – This is a tough business. You might not make it. But, there are a billion commercials every day (world wide) and James Earl Jones can’t voice them all. So, persist. Focus on realistic goals, not on getting rich. Staying power is vital. Have fun. Have faith in yourself. Be interesting and interested. Never stop learning. Tenacity is vital. Stop thinking about it. Do all the homework, but when you’re in front of the mike let it go and just let things come out.

The balance was questions and answers. Debbie talked about how she got started and her life-long passion for acting, the blossoming market of podcasts, suggestions for folks who are having a hard time landing work, taking further private coaching, focus on specific areas of work like commericals as you get started, how to find a good coach for training, how to learn computer audio editing, Debbie mentions that she’ll be starting an on-line course on January 9, 2007.

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Learn the lingo in one easy step

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If you’re new to voiceover work, or even if you’ve been in the business for a while, you may encounter words or terminology with which you’re not familiar. Having to ask “what does that mean?” is not only embarrassing, but could give the impression that you aren’t really a pro.

Marc Cashman has compiled an extensive list of terms related to the voiceover industry and posted the list at the Vox Daily voiceover blog at Voices.com. Read. Learn. You’ll be glad you did.

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Packing it in, more thoughts

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Whether you agree or disagree with what I wrote below under the title “Packing it in”, I hope you’ll take a few moments to read the superbly written post from my friend and fellow voiceover talent Mary C. McKitrick titled “How do you know when to quit?”

Mary provides some thoughtful commentary that puts much of what I wrote in exactly the right perspective. It’s a long post, but well worth your time.

Now that you’ve finished reading Mary’s comments, I want to be sure that my advice to you is clear. Do I want you to quit your attempts to build a voiceover career? I don’t have any standing to even offer an opinion. I can’t possibly know enough about you or your specific circumstances to advise you, what ever level of success or lack of same that you currently experience. And if you do quit, one thing you know for sure, you won’t be a success in voiceover.

But, as Mary has so cogently pointed out, you’re not limited by anything except your persistence and effort to achieve success in many different fields. And that success need not come easily. Indeed, it will be doubly sweet if it comes after much effort and struggle. (I cherish my college degree because I paid for all but $45.00 of it from my own pocket.)

Only you can decide if you should quit or keep on trying. But, then that was the point of my previous post. Or to put it another way, not deciding is a kind of deciding too; and if in your not deciding you’re hurting your marriage, your children or yourself then…fill in the rest for yourself.

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Packing it in?

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So, you’ve been trying for a while now to make some money doing voiceovers, right? You’d read on a website about all the money people make doing voiceovers. All your life people have told you that you have a nice voice and you really should be “on the radio” or a “voiceover person.” You know how to talk, so how hard can it be?

But…

After hundreds of dollars spent getting a demo made. Hundreds more having a website designed and hosted. And joining Internet casting sites. And doing dozens, even hundreds of auditions through those sites. You’ve tried low-balling the price. You’ve tried raising the price. And what do you have to show for it? Zip? Maybe a few hundred dollars?

So…

What now? You’ve heard that “winners never quit and quitters never win,” but you’re wondering how much more money you have to sink into your voiceover “career” before you start making those big bucks?

Well, where ever you are on the road I’ve just described, please believe me; the vast majority of people trying to make money doing voiceovers never do. Yes, the vast majority. And there are lots of folks who will happily take your money to “train you for a professional voiceover career” or “create that killer demo” or whatever. Maybe you’ve already met some of them?

Being successful in voiceover requires a host of skills, only some of which have anything to do with talking into a microphone. If you don’t succeed it’s both because and not because of the competition. There’s always someone more experienced, more talented and more driven than you are. Always. Someone with a better voice. A better demo. A better agent. Or something.

You can make excuses all day long. None of them amount to a hill of beans, except for the way they block you from actually getting where you want to go.

So, here are some concrete suggestions from a guy who’s learned more than a few things the hard way…

Don’t sign up for the first training opportunity you find. At least, don’t sign up until you’ve checked to see if the person doing the training actually knows his or her stuff. And until you’ve checked to see if the prices being charged are reasonable. In many cases, you’d be far better off taking an acting or improv class at the local community college. And then some singing lessons. If you have talent for voiceover work, you’ll learn everything you really need (except microphone technique) in theatre and singing classes.

Don’t make a demo until you’ve spent at least a few months listening to the demos of top notch working professionals. Here, I’ll save you the trouble of finding them. Click this link. That’s the Union/International house reels for voiceover talent agents. As you can see and hear, there are hundreds of people in line ahead of you. Actually, it’s not hundreds. It’s thousands.

Don’t build a website until you have a demo worth promoting. And when you build the site, again, don’t go with the first person you meet who can code a little html. Has this designer ever worked on a site for a voiceover person, or even an actor, before? Look at the sites. Look at lots of sites from other voiceover people. Take note of what you like and what you don’t like. Discuss these with your designer. Or, do what I did. Find a template you like, study some html, and build your own.

Are you depressed yet? Look, I’m deliberately trying to splash some cold water on your face because at some point you have to examine the question: is it time for me to quit this and get back to doing something else with my life?

Bonnie Gillespie is a brilliant Hollywood casting director, mainly for independent films. She writes a weekly column for Showfax called The Actor’s Voice. I’ve pointed to her work a number of times before, but this post was prompted by reading Bonnie’s column from October 16, 2006. While, as usual, the focus is on Hollywood actors, the lessons apply to all of use who earn our trade acting with our voices in places other than Hollywood. As Bonnie writes…

What I’m hoping to provide here is a nice little kick in the butt for those of you who hem and haw about leaving the biz. To paraphrase Yoda: Leave or leave not. There is no whine.

And this is, I think, the money quote…

Remember that what you do as an actor most of the time is pursue work. So I’m not talking about finding yourself jealous of those who are succeeding in ways you were not. That doesn’t count. That’s like being an astronomer and finding yourself jealous that you didn’t discover a new planet. Very, very, very few people have the level of success that draws people to the pursuit of acting in a major market. If you cannot be happy pursuing the work, improving your craft, and building relationships in this industry, you absolutely should consider packing it in…

Take a long hard look at reality. Are you putting your family in jeopardy? Are you spending too much time and money on this dream of voiceover success? Do you truly understand in your bones that voiceover work, like any other kind of acting work, is mainly finding work? This is a marketing and sales job far more than it’s a “talk into the microphone” job.

So, how are you doing? I’d love to read your thoughts and experiences. Comments are open.

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Advice worth reading

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With my thanks to Stephanie at Vox Daily, I strongly recommend you take a few minutes to read this excellent article in Backstage, titled Voice of Authority. It’s well worth your time.

 

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The Voice Cat blog

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For some time now, one of the best blogs to visit as a voiceover talent has been Vox Daily, hosted by Voices.com. Now, the team there has added a new blog that features Marc Cashman. This blog is called Ask the Voice Cat it’s focus is on providing guidance and assistance to people who are new to the voiceover business.

Even if you’ve been doing voiceovers for some time, there are sure to be valuable pieces of advice here and there. One example would be this post. Sometimes the truth hurts, but it’s a good kind of hurt.

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Happy news from a correspondent

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In early October of this year (2006) I wrote a post here about Noel and his efforts to find voiceover work, especially regarding his efforts to find work through Voice123.com, based on some email messages I had received from him.

Today, Noel wrote to say that he’d been cast for his first paying gig through Voice123.com. Good for you, Noel. May there be many more.

And if you’re reading this and thinking, “I’m still looking for my first voiceover work,” realize this: the overwhelming majority of people trying to make it in voiceover work never make a career of it; just like the vast majority of acting hopefuls in Hollywood never make a career in the movies or television. But, if voiceover is something you love…something you can’t imagine living without…then don’t quit. At least, not until you’ve given yourself a real shot at realizing this dream.

However, you must remember that there are things more important that your dream. If you are married, and especially if you have children, don’t jeopardize your family for your dream…because if you do, even if you reach your dream it will turn to dust in your hands. Do what you have to do…but don’t betray the people who are counting on you. It’s not worth it.

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Reality check

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A discussion group I take part in at Yahoo.com centers around the world of voiceover work. Recently Dave Stone posted some thoughts I thought so valuable that I asked him for permission to quote them here.

You want to do voice-over work? You want to build a client list and a track record? Then take the job for the money being offered. Smile. Expect that you might be put through the mill so that the client gets the read he wants out of you. Smile. Read the line. Now, read it again, but differently. Smile. Expect that if the producer or client aren’t having a good day, you may – unfortunately – take the brunt of that. Kindly thank the client and the producer when they’ve finished with you and you’re sweating because the booth wasn’t air conditioned. Expect not to get a check right then and there. Expect that you might even have to wait 30, 60, or 90 days or more for it. Expect that you even might have to call or send a second invoice before you get it.Some or all of this may not happen, but it is reality. Again, this may not happen, but if any of it does, you’d better learn to deal with it. If you can’t, then you’ve got an ego problem, and you’ll need to dealwith that first.

In our subsequent communication, Dave offered some additional thoughts, also well worth a moment of your time.

There are, of course, other scenarios voice talent could encounter. One example, which would probably take place in a commercial rather than narration session, would be having to take direction from as many as four people (producer, director, writer, and client). This means first, not losing one’s cool, and, having to interpret all of the direction and deliver… something. Many newbies don’t realize, that in addition to this being an extremely competitive industry (which means, of course, you have to be at least ‘good’ to get anywhere), doing voice-overs also requires a thick skin because there is so much rejection, frustration and something more that I just can’t name right now. Above all, there is absolutely no room for attitude. Those just beginning their careers need to know that if they really want to reach the status of ‘always working’ and ‘often called-back,’ it’s going to take quite some time and dues-paying before they are called to the studio to have money thrown at them.

You’ll find this Yahoo.com discussion group about voiceover work, here.

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Operation Voice Talent update

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While I’m posting about Michael Minetree, there’s an update on his site regarding his contest for new voiceover talent.

Congratulations to the Top 10.

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Operation Voice Talent, round 2

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The second round of the Operation Voice Talent contest from Minewurx Studios has just begun. You can read all about it in this post from the studio’s blog. Or listen to the podcast about this round of the contest,

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I wish each of you well, as you take this next step in pursuing your dreams.

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Good advice on getting started, part 2

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Back in August, I linked to David Houston’s blog and to an excellent post filled with advice for you if you’re thinking about getting into voiceover work.

Now, he’s written an even better post as part 2, and I highly recommend you take some time reading and thinking about what he’s written.

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I’m happy to answer questions

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Of course, sometimes in takes a while to get an answer. Just ask my friend Glenn. He waited over 6 months before I finally took the time to give him a thoughtful response. But, Noel, who wrote to me a few days ago, prompted some thoughts about Voice123.com (which is what he was asking about specifically) and about Internet casting sites in general.

I’ve asked his permission to use his emails for this blog post. Here’s his first.

Hello Bob;

I am a fellow VO at Voice123.com. I am writing to you because your testimonials at V123 led me to view your very impressive profile. – Awesome dude! Although I have made a living at industrial sales for most of my life, I truely want to break in to the VO business. I won’t bore you with details but I do feel the need to ask someone with your credentials and experience in the business for some advice. So, in a nutshell; I have an AKG Perception200 mike and a pc laptop with a free audio recording program called Audacity- no, I cannot hear myself as I record, so I playback quite a bit. I’ve taken some short course workshops in VO and came out of it with a professional studio demo CD. Since I joined V123 last February, I have submitted over 200 demos. Although I came close on a small handfull, I still haven’t gotten even one gig. What am I doing wrong? Is my voice that bad? Should I add music and effects over a dry read demo? Is V123 the wrong place for me? Anything you can tell me would be much appreciated and well taken. I pray that someone of your caliber can tell me something that I just don’t know.

Best Regards,
Noel

Noel,

Hello. Thank you for your kind words. I’d be happy to provide you with a bit of advice, but you should probably remember that it’s only worth what you’re paying for it.
First, after reading your email I found your Voice123.com listing and listened to your demos. Good work. Clearly you have talent. Now you have to examine yourself and determine how serious you are about this business. Because that’s what it is, a business.

You’ve worked in sales, so you know that you’re not going to close every call, especially not every cold call. Now, imagine that at about the same time you made one of those cold calls, 150 other sales people (with varying levels of experience and ability) are also making a cold call on that client. How likely are you to make the sale under those circumstances? Especially because the client’s final decision isn’t always going to be based on price, but often on his or her perception of which sales person can deliver the goods. This, I think, is a pretty fair analogy for your situation with Voice123.com. It’s not that you’ve done something wrong or that your voice is bad. It’s that you don’t match up exactly with what the client is looking for.

Second, the only way to grow and improve is to practice, study, and practice some more. You should read aloud every day. If you have young children, read to them. If you don’t, just read aloud to yourself: web sites, newspapers, books, whatever. And when you’re reading aloud, practice communicating more than just the words. Practice communicating the story or idea contained by those words. (For example, read this email aloud to yourself.)

Third, you have decent equipment. As time and work permits, make some strategic additions to your tool kit. I highly recommend you join the VO-BB.COM community. And then spend time reading through the archives. Since I joined in July, I’ve made it through about 30 percent of their archives, reading every post. I’ve already gained tremendously by doing so. You’ll get ideas of gear you might want to put on your shopping list someday, things to avoid and lots of different opinions. And many valuable insights into how to grow your talent and experience. (You’ll find some of my reactions to a few in the posts on this blog, too.)

Fourth, keep studying. As you can tell from my profile, I study every year. My first professional voiceover was recorded in 1974, and I’ve been working steadily in voiceovers since 1983. But, I know there’s much more for me to learn. I don’t ever want to allow myself to get complacent. Is Voice123.com right for you? I can’t answer that question for you. But, it might help you to know that I’ve done over 800 auditions there in the last 2 years. I’ve booked less than a 100 of those jobs. But, I look at my Voice123.com membership fee as advertising money. And I only respond to the auditions from which I want to get cast. Which means that I’ve NOT responded to over a 1000 auditions in the same 2 years. So, my testimonial for Voice123.com is more true today that when I wrote and sent it to them over a year ago.

Keep in mind there are other sites where you can put your demo. Some of them are more cost effective than Voice123.com. For example, voiceoverdirectory.com has a category for New Talent in their database. I’m not a member there, so I can’t speak to how good a site they are, but you can check. Also, Voices.com offers a level at only $100. As does CommercialVoices.com, I believe.

I hope these comments are helpful to you. Please feel free to write again, if there’s anything else I can answer or help with.

Be well,
Bob Souer

Noel resonded to those comments:

Hello Bob,

Thank you for your timely reply – The mark of a true professional!

And, thank you for taking the time to check out my demos. Compliments most appreciated. You have confirmed my initial impression – that V123 is a Monster.com of the VO world and I may not be a fit to every job description. I cannot imagine how someone that is not accustomed to rejection can stay alive in this industry. All the same, I must admit to a bit of recent discouragement and dissappointment myself. I’ve never experienced this degree of rejection – what a beating. V123 however is probably one of the best places to cut my ‘eye teeth’ in this business. I do read aloud daily (I’ve got a little one for bedtime stories – at my old age) and I do practice voice drills daily as well.

I will check out the websites, blogs and archives that you have referred me to, join and post my demo. I will keep reading and learning. I want to know every detail that all the successfull VOs do and then do it myself. Your advice has helped me know where to find it.

If you think of anything else, feel free to send it along.

Best Regards and Big Thanks,
Noel Gibilaro

Noel,

Not only are you not a fit to every job description, you’re not a fit to most job descriptions and neither am I (by fit I mean an exact match). Here’s how I look at it:

It’s not a competition for a job against all of the other voiceover people auditioning. The client is selecting the right voice, the right sound, the right interpretive ability to match what they need. Sometimes, I’m the match. Sometimes you are. In those cases, the only thing preventing you or me from getting that respective job is if the client doesn’t know about me, or you. And that’s not the client’s fault. It’s mine, or yours, as the case may be. So, I don’t look at an audition from which I don’t get cast as rejection. I look at it more the way Michaelangelo answered the question of how he knew when he approached a new block of marble from which he hoped to carve a statue. “I just remove everything that’s not the statue.” When I don’t get cast, I’m just removing another bit that’s not part of my paying work.

And there are even times when I’m the match, but I don’t want that job. Maybe the subject is something I’m not comfortable with morally, or politically or for whatever reason. Maybe the budget isn’t enough for me to bother with. Whatever. In that case, the client is going to have to settle for someone else, who maybe isn’t as good of a match as I would have been. But, assuming they hire a professional, they’re going to be happy with what they get.

98 percent of your job is finding the paying sessions that give you the income you need to pay the bills. The other 2 percent you’ll actually be in the studio getting paid for your time. Think I’m exaggerating? Wait and see.

I wish you much success, in whatever manner you describe it. (The fact that you’re already reading and practicing every day tells me you have a better than even shot at getting somewhere.)
A final thought. Spend 1 to 2 weeks lurking and reading before you begin to post anything on VO-BB.COM. I think you’ll be glad you took the time to learn the ropes.

Be well,
Bob

And I hope these thoughts are of value to you, too, dear reader. I have more to say on the subject of Internet casting sites like Voices.com and Voice123.com, but that will have to wait for another day for a complete post. Meanwhile, you can check out this thread at the Voiceover Bulletin Board for some thoughts worth reading. A few of them are from me.

(note: some of the email correspondence has been edited to correct grammatical or factual errors.)

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Something cool happened today (updated)

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If you’ve read any significant number of my archived posts, you’ve noticed that I think very highly of Pat Fraley as a voiceover coach. In fact, he and Dick Orkin have been the two teachers with the greatest influence on my voiceover work. (Not that I’m worthy to even carry the shoes of either of these guys, but I am deeply grateful for what they’ve taught me.)

So, what was the cool thing? Susan Berkley, by all that I’ve heard a very fine teacher and voiceover talent herself, sent me an email asking if she could use a quote from me about Pat; as part of her promotion of an upcoming Audiobook Master Class with Pat to be held in New York in early November.
Well of course, I said, “Yes!” and thanked her. I also recorded a copy of my comments and sent them to her in case she wants to use the audio on her site as well as the text.

Now, I haven’t studied with Susan, but as I said, she has a very good reputation. And Pat is one of the real masters in not only delivering the goods himself in the studio, but also in teaching others how to develop. If you live on the East Coast and you’ve wanted to study with Pat Fraley, and especially if you’re interested in pursuing audiobook narrations, this is a great opportunity. Click here for the information page about the class.

Oh, the quote?

The Audiobook Master Class presented by Pat Fraley was everything I hoped it would be and more. It was really 3 master classes in one. Having now attended three training events with Pat Fraley, I strongly recommend you jump at your next chance to take one of his classes. The price of the event was worth every penny based what I learned. I’ve just been signed by an audiobook publisher (science fiction, one of my personal favorite genres) and I completed my first project for them last night.

Bob Souer, Voice Over Talent, Charlotte, NC

(edited to fix typos and updated with the link to Susan’s Audiobook class page)

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Interview 2, Dan Nachtrab

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This post is the second of what I hope to be a significant number of interviews with people I think you need to meet, and who have valuable and important advice and comments.

We’re talking this time with Dan Nachtrab because he has a real handle on the business side of this business. In addition he’s a very talented guy (you can listen to his demos here to see what I mean), but if you haven’t picked up on this yet; while voiceover can be a hobby for a long time; if you’re going to pursue it as a career, you have to look at it as the business it is. As you’ll see, Dan has some worthwhile insights.

My first question for Dan: Compared to what you thought it would be like, what has been the most unexpected aspect of being a voiceover talent?

Dan: A while back my father shared a thought with me. “One day,” he said, “the business will overtake your art.” He was right. There are many steps in keeping your business in line. I had to stop treating VO as a hobby and push myself to make it my business.

My second question for Dan: Why do you pursue voiceover work rather than something else? Have you at times in the past? If so, what?

Dan: Why does a fish swim? I truly believe, in my heart, I was born for this line of work. Even when I strayed from the VO path and accepted a couple “real” jobs, like selling copiers, I kept my foot in the “VO door.” A gig here, a gig there. The best part about the sales job was that I learned how to communicate with all types of people and cold call prospective clients. That experience helped me immensely in pursuing voiceover.

My third question: What was the sequence that led to your concentration on voiceover now? What precipitated the change?

Dan: First, let me say this: Every time I crack open the mic, I try to better myself from the last time. There is never a throwaway line for me. So, I guess I can say I have always concentrated on VO. It is an art, and I will always be a student.

Now, on to how I got to where I am now…

After the sales job, I tried my hand at radio management. I was promoted five times in three and a half years from weekend talk show host to assistant program director for three stations to marketing director. I was educated in organization, management of personnel and marketing. During that time, I had acquired a few large voiceover clients. Soon after, radio and I parted ways, and the voiceover business became my “bread and butter.” All of the skills I used while in management, I use everyday in VO.

Believe it or not, the fantastic people at VO-BB.COM gave me the confidence to make the jump. I answered “yes” to five of the six questions Frank Frederick posted (in the linked thread) and knew it was time.

My fourth question: How do you deal with rejection?

Dan: I don’t. First rule in acting is to audition and then forget the audition ever took place. If you get the call back, great! If you don’t, you will not be devastated about not getting the gig. Auditioning is serious business. Some say it is the business. If you can’t handle yourself in a professional manner while under pressure to perform, if you can’t take criticism or direction, or if you get upset when someone doesn’t like your voice, then you shouldn’t be in this business.

My fifth question: Taking the other side of my first question, what (if anything) has turned out to be most like your expectations, going in?

Dan: Chicks dig it. Seriously, my wife and daughter couldn’t be more proud. They often wake up and see the old man sitting in his underwear cutting a narration for the United States Department of Defense. It is a pretty sight.

My sixth question: To the degree that you’re comfortable, describe your process of finding work? Are there things you concentrate on? What works better than others? What are you not going to repeat?

Dan: Right now, having three agents helps a lot. Also, whenever I have a client with whom I really get along, I will simply ask if they know anyone who may need my services. Most likely they do and they provide their names and numbers. The great thing about this tactic is that you have an immediate reference from your current client and an icebreaker with the new client. (I was taught this strategy while working in sales.)

In addition, I will not randomly mail out CD demos. A phone call to the prospective client can save you a lot of money and time. How can you otherwise guarantee that the agency deals with VO and isn’t merely a print agency?

My seventh question: Has anything memorably embarrassing ever happened to you in the booth? If so, what happened?

Dan: Nothing too embarrassing, per se. Although, a few laughs have been shared over jokes I wouldn’t repeat to my mother. (And no, I will not take a follow-up question.)

No problem, Dan. No follow-up is needed for that one!

My thanks to Dan Nachtrab for taking time from his busy schedule to answer all of these questions. There’s a link to Dan’s main site above (as well as on my voiceover blogroll to the left), and to his blog about voiceover here.

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