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A Very Talented Guy and some thoughts about pricing

Career Advice, People

I noticed a comment at the Voices.com blog the other day in response to the message I wrote about in my last post. The comment was left by Rich Roszel, a very talented man I’ve admired for years. Rich was asking about rates for recording audiobooks.

Since no one had replied to Rich’s question, I wrote him an email with a summary of what I learned at the Audiobook Master Class with Pat Fraley, Hillary Huber and Kimberly Brault. (I also wrote a reply to that thread at VoxBlog which included most of my comments to Rich.)
Rich wrote in reply (He’s given me permission to post this):

Many thanks for taking the time to reply. Frankly, I’m astounded at the rates you’ve mentioned. When you say “finished hour,” I assume you mean that if the total audio book length comes to three hours, then your fee for raw tracks woould range from $150 to $1050. At those lower-end rates, it’s hardly worth doing the project. I say that because the time it would take to get an hour of “finished audio” is certainly a good bit more than an hour. Few people, if any, can read through an hour-long script without mistakes and retakes — much less a three-hour long script. With any script, you’ll also want to read through it a time or two and mark it for inflection and pacing. With an audio book, those pre-reads are going to be rather time consuming.
I have seen requests for pricing on Interactive Voices that mention word count and page count. I’ve also seen comments from others mentioning that they charge by the page, etc. To me, the most equitable way to come up with pricing seemed to be based on word count. I find that a relaxed read comes to about 175 words per minute. Therefore, I can divide the total word count by 175 and come up with the number of minutes for the read. I can them determine a price. My problem is that my standard pricing is going to be way too high because it’s based on voiceovers for spots or narrations for videos, etc.
One recent job was listed as 12056 words or 38 pages. How would you price that if you were doing it? How long do you think it would take to practice and then deliver the raw tracks? Do you think the price you quoted is reasonable pay for the amount of time/work involved?
Perhaps I’m spoiled by having done a bit of spot work which, understandably, pays more per minute, but doing a credible job with an audio book takes real talent and, in my opinion, is worth every bit of those higher numbers you mentioned.
I replied…
I think it’s important to realize that each category of work in the voice-over business has it’s own price structure. As you’ve noted, when you work on a commercial your price per “finished” minute is very high, hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a single minute.Industrial/CD-ROM/etc. long-form narration work pays much less per minute, but still hundreds of dollars per “finished” hour.Audiobooks are among the lowest paying per hour of work. As was said in the audiobook master class I attended, no one is getting rich doing audiobooks. A few people are making a decent living, but no one is getting rich. Not even the “stars” of the business. The issue in the audiobook world is that a given publisher can only afford to pay a certain amount for the narration and production because they are projecting that they will sell a specific number of audiobooks. The budget is determined by the audiobook publisher on that basis.
But, in looking over this reply, I’ve realized that I failed to address at least one important question that Rich raised…if I were bidding for a long-form project that would run 12056 words how would I approach the bidding. In simple terms, I would take that 12056 and divide it by 165, my normal pace of finished words per minute. That works out to just about an hour and a quarter. Which means, with mistakes and editing, it would take me between 3 and 4 hours to record, edit and deliver the audio to the client.So, for a project of this size I would not accept an offer of less than $650 and would probably bid $750 to $1000 depending on the complexity of the copy and the way the project was going to be used.

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Rate survey at Voices.com

Blogging, Career Advice

If you’d like to help Voices.com compile a list of suggested rates for their clients, check out this post on their blog and add your comment. I’ve just added mine.

I suspect this might be a somewhat frustrating excercise for Stephanie, since what she hoped to get was a number of specific numbers (the rates people are actually charging) that she could then average to compile her suggested rates.

But, and this is just my guess, I think there are a number of folks commenting who don’t want to be specific about how much they charge. If you look at my post, you’ll see specific rates and yes, they are real. (But, as I’m typing this I just realized I neglected to note those are the national rates. Local and regional are lower, of course; as are limited runs.)

As I’ve written previously, there’s enough voice-over work for everyone. Sometimes I win the audition. Sometimes I don’t. But, you have to want to audition if you’re going to be successful as a voice-over talent. Auditioning is our job, or at least 90% (or more) of it. The paying jobs are just the frosting, the fun parts. And of course, the parts that allow us to keep at it.

So, if you do visit the linked blog post and add a comment, I hope you’ll post honestly and specifically.

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More nice people

Blogging, People

I posted here a few days ago about the release of the latest podcast based on the “bridges” publication (currently Vol. 10) from the Office of Science and Technology of the Embassy of Austria.

Today, because I had to make a trip to that part of the country for other work, I made a stop at the Austrian Embassy in Washington, DC so that I could meet the staff of the OST in person. It was a genuinely delightful visit with some very nice people, many of whom are noted here.

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An opportunity from Voice123.com

General

Voice123.com has an affiliate program. Depending on the size of the budget involved and the number of jobs you send their way, you could certainly pick up a few dollars through this program. Details are here.

In the interests of full disclosure, you should know that Voice123.com is one of the two Internet casting services with which I have a professional membership, . (The other service is InteractiveVoices.com, soon to be known as Voices.com.)

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Talented people are often nice people, part 2

Career Advice, History, People

One of the nicest and most cheerful guys I know is Bob Holiday, a talented voice-over guy in Southern California.

I met Bob for the first time in 1997 or 1998 at either the first or second of the International Radio Creative and Production Summit seminars I attended. He and Blaine Parker work together. In fact they’re both terrific guys. I’ve just added Bob to my list of voice-over links on the left.

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Secrets of Voice Over Success

Career Advice, General, Getting started in Voiceover, People

Joe Cipriano, as I’ve mentioned previously, is one of the guys who works in the major leagues of voice-over.

On his blog a few days ago, Joe mentioned a book that sounds like something well worth a few of your dollars, and mine. The title of the book is Secrets of Voice-Over Success. It’s just $12.32, as of this moment, at Amazon. (UPDATE: price corrected after looking at Amazon.)

Filed Under: Career Advice, General, Getting started in Voiceover, People

A Yahoo! group about voice-over (updated)

General

I’ve just learned from my friend Charlie Glaize that there is a Yahoo! group about voice-over. It’s been active since June of 1999. I’ve just applied for membership. Hopefully they’ll have me. (Update: They did!)

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Excellent advice

Career Advice, Getting started in Voiceover, People

If you want to get started doing voice-over work, here are two solid recommendations:

First, read this post by Karen Commins. Karen’s a very talented lady and you need to heed what she’s written.

Second, after you’ve read that post, think about entering the Minewurx Studio Voice contest. It’s designed just for someone like you.

Filed Under: Career Advice, Getting started in Voiceover, People

A new "bridges" podcast (updated)

General

As I’ve noted previously, I’ve been cast as the voice for “bridges,” the podcast by the Office of Science and Technology at the Austrian Embassy in Washington, DC.

The latest issue, Vol. 10, is being rolled out today. Most of the audio is already posted as I type this. (update: The text of Vol. 10 is also now available.)

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If you’ve ever worked at a local radio station…

General, People

You’re going to love this video clip. Brian Haymond emailed the link to me. Thanks, Brian. It was a good day for a good laugh.

Filed Under: General, People

Overcoming discouragement

Career Advice, General

If you’ve signed up for a premium membership with either Voice123.com or InteractiveVoices.com (soon to be Voices.com), you should check out the comments Brian Roberts has posted in the blog at Voice123.com.

Here are a couple of highlights:

I did more than 600 auditions in the first 6 months with V123 and made maybe $1000. I was working at it full time!! I’d wake up each morning, go down to my computer and start auditioning. I had an amazingly loud alert on my MAC that screamed at me to check my mail whenever a new email from V123 came in. Id did this EVERY day for MONTHS. And was discouraged.

And

For example, for the first 2 months, I didn’t realize that my microphone was missing a battery that made it sound horrible! I auditioned for HUNDREDS of jobs with this bad mike and NO ONE SAID A WORD. Once I figured it out, It was amazing how much my chances increased and my profits.

Especially in this second comment, Brian makes an extremely important point, you have to have professional equipment and it has to be set up correctly if you have any serious chance of making a decent living doing voice-overs…even part-time. Read the whole thing. (By the way, I’m not surprised no one said anything about Brian’s bad microphone. The clients almost certainly just chalked up his auditions as coming from someone who wasn’t a professional. Which means you need to find and fix the problems you have, because no one else is going to do it for you.)
By the way, one guy who does a lot of voice-over training, and who takes the time to make sure his students understand this essential point is Michael Minetree.

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A couple of contests for you to enter

Career Advice, General

Vox Blog, the voice-over blog at Voices.com points out there is a contest running through July 23, 2006 to become the voice of either Namor (a.k.a. Sub-Mariner) or Jean Grey. Or go directly to the contest entry here.

Now, that contest is primarily for folks with significant professional voice-over experience. But, the Voice-Over Contest continues at Minewurx Studio. And that contest is closed to people with such experience.

So, if you want to push the boundries of where you are…whether you’re a novice just getting started…or someone who’s been doing voice-overs for some time but wishing you could get your big break; opportunities are right under your nose.

A few years ago I heard a quote from Henry Ford that applies: “Whether you think you can or whether you think you can’t, you’re right.”

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The Audiobook Demo

General

I’ve just added two more demos to my demo section on the left. The one I’m most excited about is the Audiobook Demo because my CD from Pat Fraley just arrived today. I’m my toughest critic, but I think it sounds pretty good.

While I was at it, I also added my Medical Demo to this page.

Both the Audiobook Demo and the Medical Demo have also been added to my InteractiveVoices.com (soon to be Voices.com) and Voice123.com pages.

Should you wish too, leave a comment about how you think they sound. Good, bad or indifferent, I’d like to see what you have to say.

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If you teach or coach voice-over talent

Blogging, Career Advice

If you teach or coach voice-over talent, you ought to check out Stephanie’s latest post on Vox Daily, the voice-over blog at Voices.com.

Filed Under: Blogging, Career Advice

Two great voices

People

Peter Coyote and Joe Cipriano are two guys who work in the major leagues of voice-over. Recently, two of my friends, Charlie Glaize and Michael Minetree have pointed me to opportunities to get inside the minds of these guys via the Internet.

Charlie emailed me today to point out this article, which offers some thoughts from Peter Coyote about doing voice-over including audiobooks.

And on Michael Minetree’s blog, I found links to two different videos (one and two) that offer behind-the-scenes looks into Joe Cip’s world.
Enjoy!

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More about the Audiobook Master Class in L.A.

General, People

Karen Commins attened the Audiobook Master Class in L.A. the day after I did. The same three great teachers (Pat Fraley, Hillary Huber and Kimberly Brault) led the class. It was held in the same studio, Buzzy’s. (Andy Morton, the Chief Engineer there is the tops!)

Karen has done a superb job of capturing the day in words and photos.

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Vox Daily, the Voices.com blog

Blogging, Career Advice, General

As of yesterday, June 23, 2006 Vox Daily, the voice-over blog from Voices.com (formerly InteractiveVoices.com) has moved to its new and permanent home. Check it out. The site is very well designed and includes all of the posts and comments from the InteractiveVoices.com blog, searchable by keyword.

Comments are easier to leave, too. Check it out.

Filed Under: Blogging, Career Advice, General

Talent in abundance

People

That’s what my friend Blaine Parker has. I wrote about his win again this year at the Radio Mercury Awards a few days ago, so we already know he’s a brilliant writer. (Just keep scrolling down, you’ll find it.)

But, today I want to call your attention to Blaine’s voice-over work. You’ll find several tasty samples at his web site, GetThatVoice.com. Go. Listen. And don’t miss the “About Blaine” page.

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A birthday greeting

General

In my flurry of posts of late, I’ve neglected to take note of Voice123.com‘s third anniversary. I joined them in the late summer of 2004 and have made back my annual professional subscription fee many times over each year. Happy Birthday, Voice123.com!

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Trade links with Voices.com

Blogging, General

Check out this post at the blog at InteractiveVoices.com (soon to be Voices.com) and exhange a link with them. I did and this is what their link will look like on your site:

Voice overs from Voices.com, the #1 voice marketplace.

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